Why not stop all cars on the highway and search for drugs? Not pilots. Funny how you said that it's the flight attendants when I can tell because I actually work as a flight attendant that just last month a PILOT went through KCM with a loaded weapon that he should have declared. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). The National Air Transportation Association (NATA) and NATA Compliance Services (NATACS) is pleased to offer the Known CrewmemberProgram (KCM) to certain Part 135 and Part 125 air charter pilots. Ive also witnessed on more than one occasion a pilot attempt to bring a family member through KCM and then throw a hissy fit when theyre turned away. This is not good for regular TSA Pre-Check users. Dont worry about that connecting flight in Denver thanks. The TSA is a SECURITY SCREENING AGENCY not the DEA. This is also known as the 3-1-1 liquids rule. Can we also ban the pilots who brought their guns, or the ones bringing their wives wine? Maybe they'll finally get it when they miss a connection or twomaybe? We are talking CLASS ACTION lawsuits for piss-poor treatment of crew. Get your facts straight! I was then forced to go through the x-ray scanner, and I was still flagged as they said the zipper on my uniform was a problem and then I had to stand there and be patted down in front of everyone, it was infuriating. Ok, back to your BarcaLounger. All such a joke, Just ban flight attendants from the program, done. All other individuals (to include spouses, dependents, minor children, etc.) Dont just blame a work group. Actually, I've seen the pre- check line longer than the general boarding line! It aint gonna happen. Blame it on the flight attendants, but oh the pilots wouldn't try to smuggle anything. Then to say the flight attendants can make a few runs and make their salary. Crew are human. It is only there to prevent security threats to aviation, originally hijacking then terrorist attacks. Yesterday when I went through TSA pre-check, i beeped walking through the detector even though I had nothing in my pockets or that I was wearing that should have beeped Im a flight attendant and Ive been random 18 times out of 22 since I started counting in January. TSA is already severely understaffed at many airports. Interesting viewpoint, except for those people who never have to pass through security could easily pass said product off to said pilot, attendant, or anyone with access to the plane storage cargo. The Known Crewmember (KCM) program is a joint initiative between Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Intl (ALPA).KCM ties airline employee databases together in a seamless way and enables Transportation Security Administration (TSA) security officers to positively verify the identity and employment status of crewmembers. Any employee, even a pilot, could be enlisted to smuggle a weapon into the secure area to be passed to someone else. To my knowledge its not that many. Why would there be when you can dump whatever you are smuggling or take it to your car? . 0000010714 00000 n That only causes issues. Imagine having to go through security and adding extra unpaid time to your job every time you went to work. Completely agree. Known Crewmember has been a wonderful privilege. Money and Other Monetary Instruments ALPA and the A4A met in late March 2011 with TSA Administrator John S. Pistole and received TSA approval to install and test Known Crewmember at as many as seven U.S. hub airports. Care to share that photo to back up your claims? Susan Hollis Garrett. Enter your email address here and we will send you an email with your username and instructions on how to change your password. Perhaps the TSA services will improve if there are enough complaints from pilots and FAs as they way they treat some people is unacceptable. The blame is on BOTH PARTS. (Id really be interested to know what the stats are on that??) KCM does not exempt a crewmember from complying with these additional screening techniques. This could help to discourage any would-be smugglers. Known Crewmember - MyKCM Login Known Crewmember TM The Known Crewmember (KCM) website allows crewmembers to register a barcode to go through security checkpoints seamlessly. As of publication, at least 922 crew members have been infected and at least 11 have died from COVID-19. I was impressed with KCM at SFO the other day. Crewmembers also may be directed to passenger-screening lanes whenever the KCM access point is not operational. There have been off duty flight attendant crew members busted on drugs recently, but by the Customs and Border Patrol, not the TSA. Throw the book at the offenders. They are dropped off @ the secure side of the terminal. This will ensure your ability to use the KCM system again. I highly doubt it but they wont release the exact numbers they give vague statements so they can grab more power. As a flight attendant myself I see this as another power grab by the government entity tsa. Absolutely no verification of credentials or inspection of personal items. lost an engine, no hydraulics, a decompression, or worse) onboard your next flight and YOU need the assistance of a Flight Attendant to save your life or that of a loved one! Well, at least for larger airports. Once you receive the barcode card, follow the instructions on the back to register it into the KCM system. At the end of a flight cabin crew members are there to make sure that passengers disembark the aircraft safely. The TSA Special Screening Procedures (SSP) for KCM do not allow crewmembers to use a temporary government issued photo ID for access into the airport sterile area through a KCM access point. You idiots change the security process based on whether or not crew have a certain shirt on. And I get to the plane faster. Pilots are not easily replaced, flight attendants are. But there is no common sense in the system. They just walk all the way inside the secured area without being challenged or ID/Badge checked. Prohibited Items Civil Enforcement Civil Enforcement Prohibited Items Planning ahead and packing properly can facilitate the screening process and ease your travel experience at the airport. Stay in your uniform you wont have that problem. Again, the TSA doesn't handle drug cases but if they do even random checks and find something that is illegal, they are going to refer it to local or federal police. Things do NOT get fixed until the agency in question is FORCED into a state of change. So, like with just about everything else good, a few ruin it for the majority. I'm a flight attendant with 34 years seniority. NATA worked in close partnership with Airlines for America (A4A), the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), the TSA and NATA Compliance Services to bring this valuable program to our industry. Effective March 31, 2022, the TSA will require KCM eligible crewmembers to scan a KCM-issued barcode card when utilizing a KCM access point. Perhaps we should make it easy for flight attendants to get to the aircraft too? If there is to be no special consideration for a FA then there should be none for pilots. Cops, firefighters and paramedics are first responders. Make sure you generate as many passenger complaints as you can!! It is unfortunate that in 2023, the program may no longer exist for some. I WILL share my information when the time is right - IF things do not get better for us working crew who - HAVE ALREADY - been put through multiple screening processes to ensure we were safe enough to serve the public on an aircraft. I said I'm not concerned with passenger volume or wait times. Please read this for the facts and not speculation or conjecture. Yesterday when I went through TSA pre-check, i beeped walking through the detector even though I had nothing in my pockets or that I was wearing that should have beeped I asked the TSA what was beeping she said and I quote its not you its the system its chosen you as random Really??? When it was in this form, there were virtually no problems. in order to get funding for another 10 years, whenin fact, they are not. It will be easier for you to smuggle drugs that way. The outdated machines are looking for glycerine - a primary agent in bombs of the past. This was discipline issued by the carrier and documented by TSA. Interesting SMR? Q. @ Alan -- I mean, I think the people who are actually caught with serious things (like kilos of cocaine) are facing worse punishment than just being banned from KCM Full disclosure- Im a flight attendant, and its frustrating to lose this privilege because of crew members who dont follow the rules. Too bad a few more here can't grasp the insight you just provided for them. You guys walk right up to the front of the queue. Everyone arriving at a port of entry to the U.S. is subject to inspection by Customs and Border Protection officers for compliance with immigration, customs and agriculture regulations. - you would really have more "professionals" and those are less likely to abuse the system. ice axes and ice picks. Pilots have a lot more to lose (significant investment in their career, inability to easily switch to a different field with similar compensation, licenses, etc) than flight attendants do. Full screening. Real professional comment on your part. CDCCheck is a web-based, touchless and digitized solution from DepartureCheck that complies with the documentation, attestation and record-keeping requirements of this order. They may be carried by passengers or crew members and are for personal use only. Instead of punishing Flight Attendants (who seem to be blamed for SO MUCH & historically are never at fault - Ive done the deep dive research), why dont we put the emphasis on the truly broken system, the TSA - aka. Tuesday, April 13, 2021. Failure to submit to screening at the passenger screening checkpoint (e.g., using a SIDA badge to avoid screening) is considered circumvention of screening, and TSA may take enforcement action in accordance with the KCM Disqualification Protocols (KCMDP). It is incorporated for crewmembers protection and to ensure the integrity of the system. Its really an interesting take when you mention pilots dont need to be screened as much. Most of these tsa agents are regular people, lower paid, not highly educated. And nothing to do with YOU! That is incorrect, KCM has an annual fee usually paid for by the union, company, or individual flight crew members - depending on the company. Do you know how early we have to arrive to be on time and not get paid? Thats why why have an attitude, but when the government stopped paying yall we were some of the first work groups trying to see what we could do to help yall out. Im so tired of the majority of us being punished because of the few idiots that break the rules or commit crimes. So in reality anyone who come into the airlines as an employee. If you disagree, go get your Airline Pilot Certificate and 1500 hours of flight time and compare that with the job requirements to become a flight attendant, and then tell me who is more likely to risk their career at a KCM checkpoint. 2023 KNOWN CREWMEMBER. If you continue to feel that operational procedures are not being followed correctly, follow the instructions given by the LTSO/STSO and contact to your airline management, for assistance in clarifying the issue. The simple reality is that pilots have FAR more to lose than flight attendants if they risk their career at a KCM checkpoint, and therefore they deserve a higher level of trust. Which is handing out band-aids and pressing buttons on an AED.after the machine TELLS you to. The ones working the KCM check point are the laziest ones. My favorite is from all these so called pilots . 11/21/22 Notice to KCM Participating Airlines, 6/29/22 Notice to KCM Participating Airlines, 3/1/22 Notice to KCM Participating Crewmembers, 6/23/20 Notice to KCM Participating Crewmembers, A non-expired government-issued photo ID; and, An aircraft operator-issued crewmember photo ID. Its ridiculous they were added to the program. Will you diffuse the bomb and save the day? Your password can only be changed once per 24 hours. ]m+o^tw?Mxw7{[7Clikcno9b. governments around the world, including in the US, are doing more surveillance of their own citizens - let alone others from other countries. In your feeble mind, do you really think the TSA guy sitting there makes the rules? As for the flight attendant vs. pilot issue, the justification for including flight attendants was always that there simply was not A large part of the problem was allowing crew members - pilots or flight attendants - to use KCM when off duty with the exception of going immediately taccess o/from their base as a commuter. The flight attendants are required to be there before the rest of the crew because they are the ones needed to board passengers. I've come up with a plan though for my KCM screening, up 75%I now wear flip flops and a Jethro Bodine belt to then get sent to random screening! Get ready for crew members to be cutting in front of you everywhere ! I know that this isn't going to be a popular suggestion, but let take the flight attendants out of the program and let the pilots have the program. Without them, you're just an individual sitting in the gate area, getting angrier because your flight is delayed because the flight attendants are stuck in security? 0000007057 00000 n How are these idiots not dumping it when tagged for random anyway?? Cry for us. You dont have flight attendants so have no special procedures during flight. You dont have flight attendants so have no special procedures during flight. Our world has changed. Steve - Did you fly this past year? Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. NOTE: If the selected crewmember exits the sterile area and attempts to reenter through a KCM access point during this time period, they will continue to be identified for USP. Everyone should be screened. On January 26, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), issued an order, requiring operators to collect, store and verify documentation on the current COVID-19 status of inbound international air passengers traveling to the United States. Surely if it truly were that long Donna (Karen) you absolutely would have taken a photo. Guess what? Flight attendants have the weapons they need readily available: cockpit access and a bottle of wine from the galley. I agree with you about flight attendants vs pilots. If pilots were running a little late for whatever reason, the flight attendants would still be required to be there to board passengers so as not to be faulted with a delay in the boarding process. 99.99% of those passengers have done nothing wrong, and are carrying no contraband nor weapons. I use KCM and live in a base. Imagine having to go through security and adding extra unpaid time to your job every time you went to work. @CHRIS , whoa there boyfriend. 0000056810 00000 n In my opinion and observations, many of the violations that have As a result of having the FAA certificate, they are allowed to use the KCM lines. You cant be responsible enough to be to work on time? Have new threats from crew been identified? Your wild and unbelievable claim about pilots attempting to bring their families through KCM proves you don't actually know how KCM works. axes, hatchets or similar. As it is, the random screenings have increased exponentially - to the point where crew members are tempted to go through the pre check line anyway to avoid an extra step of waiting for someone to tell you to go there. Such conduct can jeopardize crewmembers of their right to participate in the program and consequently jeopardizes the entire Known Crew Member (KCM) program. The voyage through the Strait of Magellan was treacherous and cold, and many sailors. The KCM program was initially developed by ALPA, FOR PILOTS. That would stop the violations real quickly. Thanks for what you do. Not one employee for any airline or airport goes through security. Making all of us lose this privilege will soon tax tsa, delay flights and and expand misconnects. It would make better sense to just have a baggage scanner at each KCM checkpoint but eliminate the need to X-ray scan our bodies. That's Have anyone seen how TSA Employees (as well as LEOs )gain access to the secured sterile areas of any of our nation's airports around the country? The smuggling will just end up moving to the SIDA badge holders. Let the security ppl stick to what they gotta do and you pilots can stick to being glorified bus drivers and you flight attendants can stick to being mobile vending machines. TSOs are directed toadvisecrewmembers utilizing the KCM access points of the following procedures that arenotallowed. I'm a crew member and lately the random checks have increased to the point of ridiculous. Secondly, its rather disturbing that TSA agents have very little oversight in regards to entering secure areas with bags, purses, etc. And how might a TSA random screening have prevented the German wings incident? This enhancement will include retention of the crewmember selection for USP for a period of time at all KCM access points in that airport. You are barking up the wrong tree and won't win your argument by saying that any part fo society should ignore illegal activity because it might inconvenience you. General. I think they should give a hefty fine and take away the privilege from the individual who couldnt follow the rules. I honestly don't give a flying beep about ending KCM. An automated enhancement to random screening/USP has been enabled in the KCM system. The duration of disqualification from participation in KCM is related to the seriousness of the violation and/or a repeated history of regulatory violations. ice skates. TSA never figured it out, who screens TSA agents? "If It can be pumped, poured, spread or sprayed and it's more than 3.4 ounces," it needs to . It truly serves no purpose, even as a deterrent. This entire article was a joke and seemed more demeaning than informative. I am a passenger and one day I saw how nasty attitude you get to tsa for random checks. Just give us a dedicated crew only lane. But of course, they would have to pay them more. On the other, my spouse is a F/A for Southwest. It just sucks overall, especially for those of us who do not smuggle drugs or weapons just do their jobs and just want to use flight benefits on their days off. The flight cannot leave or even be boarded without a full compliment of FAA mandated cabin crew. This is exactly why you dont want the US government telling you how to live your life or whats good for you. Instead it should focus on how TSA has become more relaxed and lazy at doing their jobs and are short staffed and dont have officers to man the KCM station so everytime someone gets randomed they are throwing a pissy fit about having to walk over. Lmao you think I care about wait times and passenger volume? I stopped using it entirely for about 2 months now. For those who abuse the line, like while going to leisure international travel, which is not permitted, an immediate 6 months suspension without pay. And not using the KCM line. Like other airline workers dont use a SIDA badge and go through another entrance. Unless traveling where you go through security like everyone else. I could list 100 - 200 more issues that are problematic with this system but I am truly hoping you'll get the point of why I think our screening system is broken. So in reality anyone who come into the airlines as an employee. Security is fine as long as they make it quick for working crew membersthere isn't a pilot or flight attendant anywhere in the world who would be willing to wake-up 3 to 4 hours early on their already too short layovers. You walk on your own to TSA Pre and wait in line with everyone else. Imagine having to wait in a security up to 3 hours when you already have to show up 1-2 hours beforehand. It takes all of us to to fly passengers. I guarantee if you're a flight attendant reading this you've said "oF cOuRsE I diD!" There is no reason to trust flight attendants any more than any other trusted group, like police officers, travelers with security clearances, doctors or priests. Q:Can a crewmember individually join KCM if their airline does not participate in the program? So many of these comments are quite entertaining. So, my take is its bull and going to cause more problems for everyone. There are 24,000 flight attendants just at my airline. A 14 year old girl flew coast to coast solo, followed by her father, an airline captain in another plane. I then thank them. Also allowing them to use this when they are off duty is the other problem. They are using crew screening issues to say, "Hey - we're doing a great job!" Crewmembers may not transit the KCM portal with any. A few extra minutes of my time isnt going to matter that much. We KCM should be 100% allowed for pilots there is a MASSIVE difference in career terms and pay between pilots and FAs. Know what you can pack before arriving at the airport by checking the prohibited items list. Items prohibited in checked baggage but permitted in hand baggage. 2) You want to make the people who cross umpteen timezones for your safety stand around like the rest of you cheap cattle car bovines, watch crews take their sweet time at the back of the two hour A lot of money from pilot dues was spent by the Air Line Pilots Association to help get the Known Crew Member program going.
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